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$Tachy-on: Before we get started with questions from the community, would you like to tell us about your experience at SXSW and all of dA's happenings in Austin?
$spyed: Hey thanks. It hurts my body to be here. I'm in a tumble of day being night and night being day. I have no idea what day it is. I just get texts to where the next party is and that's pretty much my schedule. More specifically the deviantART Sandbox is amazing, and our team is working hyper hard here to wake up early and keep the lounges going. So, awesome? :)

The Austin, TX deviantMEET was epic! There were two real llamas - A mamma llama and baby llama! I got the baby llama and mamma llama to collaborate with deviantART muro on a piece on my iPad 2! Llamas may not be very good artists, but I do love that dA muro makes the arts approachable even for llamas. I mean, literally, without dA muro there'd be no way for a llama to interact directly with deviantART. And you know, that's what we're all about.
=demonmudkipsrox: If for some reason, deviantART was never created, what would you be doing?
$spyed: I'd still be building a community. I started when I was 12 years old building communities, so you'd have to have shifted the date of my birth or maybe where I grew up or something to get me change what I'm doing. I think a lot of things about deviantART are shaped around my exposure to Bulletin Board Systems (BBS) when I was really young, playing DooM, Quake, Hexen, Heretic and being totally blown away by the subcommunities around it and the incredible environments available at the time for people to connect and talk. But, those systems were limited to 40 or 60 or 120 people at a time, unlike the web.

As we transitioned to the Internet in 1996 or so, the potential was much greater with everyone being connected, but the systems were rudimentary by comparison. All I've really wanted to do was rebuild BBSs for the web, allowing others to connect with people who inspire them in intimate digital settings. I'm really glad it was art, creativity and the architecture of a loving supportive society within which to share.

Thanks for the question, I haven't really answered that one before.
~Andrew-Canada2010: What gave you the inspiration of creating deviantART?
$spyed: For me, personally, I think the last question kind of answers this one. More directly the history of deviantART has multiple co-founders who came together at the right moment to bring deviantART to the world, including Scott (°jark), Matt (°matteo), and early contributions by $mccann, $chris, °spot, and others. I'd say we started deviantART because of the online application skin community and the artists involved in it. Some of those artists weren't satisfied with just submitting application skins -- they also had paintings and other art works, so we responded to that need. °matteo provided a more specific vision during the founding days which really fueled our diversity at that moment, deviating from what existed in the space. And obviously, people loved it.
`electricjonny: With every other site in the universe integrating with Facebook and Twitter ("Like" buttons everywhere), how does, or how will, dA work to not be left behind, but also not simply copy everyone else? I think it's important for dA to integrate with the rest of those sites, but to just straight up copy everyone else and look like another cookie cutter site with all of those buttons added in might be a bad idea I think. How do you balance things with not being left behind, but still staying unique?
$spyed: I do think it's a matter of choice. You'd think, out there in the world, that Facebook Like buttons are an absolute requirement of some kind. deviantART doesn't currently support these buttons for a few good reasons, but we will support Facebook and Twitter more this year. deviantART's growth and membership hasn't been impacted by not supporting Like buttons. We continue to grow at a rapid clip and at much the same speed and consistency we always have, so I've never felt a sense of urgency around it. I think waiting to see the landscape evolve is really important for deviantART. A lot of decisions by Facebook have left me literally speechless, so I think I've tried to preserve a bit of a sanctuary from the insanity for a moment to let some of the dust settle.

Integration is very easy and very quick the moment we want to add Like buttons or Facebook connect, but those guys have some privacy issues to deal with still, and they need to show a bit more of their hand to the world in terms of what they intend to do with all this data before deviantART overtly endorses what they're doing. I could talk more about this, but basically from the perspective of people building networks for many years I think some of what Facebook is getting away with is rather incredible and I think it's because people don't understand what they're agreeing to.
=TimberClipse: Angelo, thank you so much for having this night! Aside from the obvious of creating art, what can the deviant community do to support you as well as other deviants and admins in the community at this time?
$spyed: Honestly this is a great question and I really took a moment to think before responding.

deviantART's single most important attribute is our Culture. It isn't our features, our version revisions, or any of the other things we update you on regularly. It's always been about our Culture. The meaning behind "deviantART Loves You!" has been very important from the day we began, but I think other brands and sites have copied it and given it a more vanilla meaning which really upsets me. I had our trademark firms trademark the term, because I wanted to fight back when the term was cheapened by other companies. It's an important, fundamental, core concept for our Culture and it's always been a fight to keep our Culture positive.

I hate trolls. Anyone involved in any community hates trolls. Lately we have a bit of a troll problem, because I think our core Cultural pillar in "deviantART Loves You!" has been diluted a bit, the spirit behind it as the community has grown has lost a bit of meaning. We have a few really aggressive strategies this year that focus on this that we'll announce soon, but in the meantime, I need you guys to realize that this very room of people is very special and very important to deviantART.

I want you to know that I recognize how incredibly important this room of people is, plus the people who would have been here or wanted to be here. You guys care a tremendous amount about deviantART or else you wouldn't be spending your time here with me today. There's lots going on out there on the Internet. So, for you:
  1. There are 80 of us who work at deviantART, and I think only a % of that team works directly with the community. We have operations people, and engineers who don't post, so maybe 50 of those people interact with the site.
  2. We have volunteers, and many of them are incredible! But they aren't full staff members and they can't help with a lot of things, so there's a perception that there's many more of us than there really are.
  3. There are millions of you. And on a lot of networks the staff doesn't engage or manage Culture the way we do, and that's what makes deviantART quite different.
So if you're here, what we need from you is for you to help us carry on our mission of 'deviantART Loves You!' with the same sense of pride that we do and the same passion with which deviantART was bonded in 2000 for the artists of then and now. And this means you need to have some courage because some of the people you encounter are amazing, and some of them are less amazing, and some of them are incredible, and some of them are irritating. To truly be devious, you must have patience and balance with this fight, because it's the good fight. Losing your patience is a problem for all of us, and a poor representation of how we're supposed to be here. If this place loses that, I'll feel that we have failed and I'd have a really hard time with that. It's not wires and text boxes that keep our community flowing... it's us!
*GoddessOfCake: Do you think that dA muro has had a great influence on the deviantART community? Are there any plans for additions to strengthen that influence?
$spyed: Yep! When we started the chat I talked a bit about deviantART muro and I think watching a llama and a baby llama use their noses to draw using an iPad and dA muro really underlines and highlights how accessible this tool makes deviantART. dA muro is a core and permanent product of deviantART, like the message center, search, profile pages, deviation pages and groups. I consider it core because it sets our product teams perspective on the landscape correctly. I think a writing tool will follow that's equally important and I think an environment that encompasses these types of tools is also important to the submission process and one of the core use cases for deviants.

So, a lot of product is being built in and around dA muro. This tool will see continued advancements month after month. I think the thing that really clinches it is being able to play back the creation of deviations, so you can see how they're made and being able to tune in live as people draw. We develop products live, with you, so that you're a part of every step of the process and can watch the evolution. deviantART muro is only in its humble beginnings.

We've had so many incredible artists consult on every aspect of it: how the brushes work, if they're fast enough, how layers work, how filters work. The lead developer behind dA muro, $mudimba, is a really fantastic artist himself. It's a project we all love, and while it's still very early on and there's some confusion as to its final positioning within deviantART, all will be crystal clear soon as dA muro ascends to perhaps the most widely used drawing tool in the world within the not too distant future.
=Topicality: Are there any examples of how companies have used deviantART to look for clients to do artwork? In the future, do you think any projects specifically for companies to look for clienteles on deviantART would be feasible?
$spyed: Basically the answer is yes. Big time.

It's a challenging problem for a few internal reasons. First, we have a hard problem to tackle when we make the arts more accessible for hire. I think we're very protective of you guys, and we're very aware of how the web is used for hiring people and there's a fine line between good and evil on this one. We're toeing that line in order to protect deviants. I'm not too worried about trained designers and people who work already, who will be greatly served by a deviantART platform for accessing deviants for work. We are worried about the youngins and less experienced professionals.

So, for example, take our thumbshare forum on deviantART, rename it Jobs! and let companies post jobs for some price per post or something. We could turn that system around in about a week probably, but there's a lot more to consider when you get in to the details, and the devil is definitely in the details on this.

But if you look closer at Portfolios which are doing incredibly well considering how little we promote them, and build a directory around them and then build in guidelines for how people access artists and maybe consider publishing the paid rates, we start having more information to share with artists about how to set prices so they don't get screwed over. :P So that's a larger project but, very much something we're looking at this year.
*Rickbw1: Hello Angelo. Will DA be adding in the shops a way to create books for art collections, literature, etc like Blurb, and if so when? And if not why?
$spyed: We'd likely partner with a company like Blurb, they're amazing, but first we need to change the submission process to add some procedures for how we integrate with such companies. That is stuff we're looking at and developing against right now, so, absolutely!
`Athos-of-light: deviantART seems to be having a lot more focus on IRL stuffs, such as The World Tour, 10th b-day bash + official devmeets world wide, now the deviantART Sandbox at SXSW. Is dA looking to do more IRL facetime with users? What have been the benefits for staff and users, as well as the site? Are there plans to keep this rolling, having staff gather at meets at other major cities and events? Do you feel these large scale devmeets improve staff-user relations, and promote growth of creativity, collaboration, and community?
$spyed: Pretty much yes on everything you just said. The World Tour was the most incredible experience of I think both my life and $Heidi's, and the perspective we brought back shines through in every decision we've been making since. I think we're going to open the doors to HQ at some point this year and let members hang out with us every day and if that works out the way we're planning it, I think we'll expand to top countries with physical ways to hang out and draw.

The sheer number of people who show up to our meets warrant this and I think connecting people IRL is what ultimately fulfills the mission of deviantART: to truly enhance the lives of our members.
=TheK: With the previous generation forming the current modern day world, and with it being so fast paced with increasing innovations in technology and competitiveness around the world, what advice would you give to the current generation trying to start up a business?
$spyed: Oooh a fellow entrepreneur, aye? It's funny, I wrote a few paragraphs about this last night before I fell asleep. I mean this morning, when I went to sleep, at 9am.

Everything has changed, but everything is still the same. If you're starting a business in this environment, it's just as challenging as it has always been, but the rules remain the same: businesses need to be built where they are needed and not where a businessman wants to be necessarily.

It's very rare to build a business and also love the business, as those are even harder businesses to build; but I assume you're asking me because I'm the single luckiest person in the world and I get to do what I love most while also building a business. So to that end, it depends what you love and what opportunity you see in that space. The important thing is always going to be determination. A business is going to test you to your very core, challenge your every emotion and I think the key to success is fighting through all the pain and all the challenge.

As $mccann and I love to talk about, there's very little difference between a completely crazy person and an entrepreneur. They both see things that don't exist, and live their lives as if they do. So be prepared to be crazy, and to find comfort there, even if that's kind of strange advice. All I really wanted to underscore and what I try to talk to entrepreneurs about is that the challenge and tenacity is most of it. Ideas are a dime a dozen, execution is 90% of everything successful.
`Baz135: deviantART has a great forum community, however the forums themselves could do with some work. Are we ever going to be seeing that forum update that was promised? If not that, then what other updates or new features can we look forward too?
$spyed: I think both Forums and Chat are out of date in a similar way. They really need upgrades and updates pretty badly and we're having a hard time routing resources towards them. It's not because we don't want to, but because there are areas of the site that are far more widely used that are also in great need of upgrades. We're trying to line up resources for Chat once the Search engine group beefs up. We're looking for C++ type developers very aggressively and it's become really really hard to identify good talent for this group.

Forums are wrapped in to a greater network inefficiency. As Forums exist in Groups in backrooms and in the commonly known Forums environment, there is also desire for Forums in Groups in public facing areas. So I think we're going to look at that overall bundle of tangled wires and iron it out. I have to say, I think the Forums are a little scary for us to touch. We once tried to make the Shoutbox run off of dAmn so the Shoutbox channel was in real time, and this was pretty much greeted with angry mobs holding pitch forks. I think changing the Forums might get us killed, so it's not just an engineering problem -- it's a social issue and the Forum folks are really hardcore. Even lolly once told me, if you touch the forums I'll fn' kill you.

So I took that a little too much to heart. I think if the Forum community articulated exactly what they wanted done, we could probably accommodate. (Have your say at $chix0r's journal)
=riseofthefall: You have an amazing art website! Did you ever think you would be this big 5 years ago? And do where do you see the website in 10 years?
$spyed: We set out to change the world. I think there's a blind ambition around these things. We started nearly 11 years ago, and we were all young, and excited, and in tune with what we wanted to see the web do. So I think we really knew what we were doing even if we didn't know we knew what we were doing.

The people I met during those years were some of the most intuitive people about the web that I think I'll ever know. It's like we had discovered a wide open new world and everything and anything was possible. We set our sights and I don't think we've really looked back with any regret. It always felt right, and it continues to feel right.

In 10 years, I see deviantART fulfilling its mission to bring the arts back in to mainstream culture. By then, it will have already happened. Artists will be accessible, art curated to taste for each person, venues performing dynamically curated collections for the public and a greater percentage of society will be releasing their creativity to the world than today.
~Parka87: In your experience, I guess, you had to make difficult choices. It's been like a decade of changes and innovations, but in the end, I believe it all sums up to the most fundamental questions. So, egg or chicken?
$spyed: Andrew you have a good take on this.
$mccann: Which one, chicken or egg? I'm afraid I may not be sure what you're asking. If about chicken/egg... Science has shown it was Chicken ;) As for dA, the concept and vision came first, and though revised as time goes on, I certainly know from my own perspective that dA is on the cusp of becoming much closer to the ideas of 11 years ago.
~finwe: Hello from Turkey. =) And sorry for the following long question with my deficient English. Since deviantART is an online community, where people are here for sharing their art on main purpose, why is deviantART very strict about not developing an open API for individual developers to create lots of external applications for their desktops, mobile devices, browsers, or for other social networks to expand sharing their art via deviantART? I know deviantART cares about the privacy and copyright topics a lot, but couldn't these problems be resolved by some simple user based privacy settings?
$spyed: We will be releasing some public facing API's this year.
`SaTaNiA: Do you have any plans to expand the presence of dA in Europe, like maybe an office, shows or lounges (like The deviantART Sandbox at SXSW) or more communication around the already awesome super staff we got there? It would be really lovely for all of us to see real and concrete events like the ones you hold in the US here in Europe.
$spyed: We'd love to. I think it's a matter of time and money, but I think we're on the cusp of beginning these types of broader plans and strategies as we go in to 2012.
~Digi-Shaman-of-Fire: Are there any plans in place for this year's April Fool's Day?
$spyed: Things that will upset you greatly. :P
*KovoWolf: First and foremost I would like to thank you for your dedication and heart to this amazing art community. I'm humbled every day to be apart of it and to support such an amazing community for as long as I've been here. It has been a great experience to have sat back and watched dA's growth over the years and all the features you bring to us, the deviants, and really take the time to listen to the community. My thanks also goes to all the deviants hard at work to keep it running smoothly as it does :) Thank you!

What is your favorite art style/medium you follow on deviantART? Are there a few deviants you like to watch on a daily basis?
$spyed: I love street photography and have an affinity for the types of people who are street photographers. They tend to have an interesting view of society that fluctuates from love to hate in a full spectrum of understanding and I think that makes those people feel really in tune and raw. I like raw people so I like street photography.
`LostKitten: Will Groups see any improvements in the future? As someone involved with Groups since their release, I've contemplated multiple suggestions for improvement: Like a standard Group FAQ tab, the ability to apply for different roles while currently in a role (i.e Member applies for Contributor), an Affiliate tab (where affiliate admins can promote their events and members can decide if they want to see that news).

And what ever happened to Groups getting point donation pools? Needing a deviant account to accumulate points is moving backward, to the club-era. Groups need points--namely for Super Group upgrade (it's not cheap). Thanks.
$spyed: Yes, Groups are going to get a lot of attention this year.
$spyed: As a closing sentiment there's a topic that didn't really come up and I wanted to cover it. Question for me by me: deviantART is currently in version 7, any word on version 8?

We're officially ready to talk about the development of version 8. It will definitely piss people off and they will definitely want version 7 back, until a few months go by and then people would be really upset if we changed version 8 and it became version 9. :P There's going to be a difference this time though, in that it won't be a wide release without prior notice and it's suddenly all v8. deviantART v8 is largely powered by a massive underlining architecture change that $mccann has been leading over the past number of years. The new search engine architecture will have a massive impact on just about every aspect of deviantART over time, beginning with the home page and expanding in to the message center and beyond.

So, as we unlock the chat today and let everyone talk for a while, I wanted to say thanks to Andrew for what has been an incredibly lonely mission in invention and a testament to his incredible contributions to deviantART. You've yet to see this thing, but I'm playing with it as we design v8, and the power we have to bring experiences to you that we've always wanted to is now there because of him.

It's the type of work you can't really see. Dozens of systems that work together seamlessly. If done right, the very point is to take the whole thing for granted and use it without thinking about it being there. It's the kind of stuff that makes you ultimately feel like deviantART is awesome, and you get to browse art and connect with people.

But just like being in a cold data center, it's grey, colorless, and cold, which is a stark contradiction to what you'd think it means to "run the world's largest art community". So, there's a little emote called "worship" that looks like :worship: this :P If you could please use it a few times, for $mccann, as we unlock the room. Thanks :P
Note: this transcript was edited for clarity.

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`miontre Apr 10, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
deviantART v8 :iconexcitedlaplz:
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~Verticae Apr 4, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
Slightly painful mistake: jark's name in the article actually links to °matteo.
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*Dubnoreix Apr 2, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Too bad there were no question or answers for the art theft on devArt and the ridiculous amount of it.
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:iconpsycho-llama:
CEO? You mean Jark? Spyed raped deviantart. It's why it's full of badly drawn Naruto and Halo screenshots. Asshole.
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~Bahar1 Mar 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
What was it like back then? What did people draw? Were there no amateurs or kids?
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:iconpsycho-llama:
I'm remembering a lot of zombie artwork, early CG models and some amazing oil paintings, but that was just my social circle. The difference back then was that someone with absolutely no artistic talent would not have made an account.
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~Bahar1 Mar 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, that's a very common and annoying problem! When a site gets popular, the crowd using it shows a varied structure and that doesn't please the early users. They feel betrayed because the original quality they're used to is not there anymore. And it's really hard to control that because the site owner can't check new users' art before they subscribe and say "Hmm, you can't become a member, you have no talent!" Lol.

Maybe things should be made easier to connect to quality art/artists :)
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:iconsuperpower-pnut:
Oh yeah, I remember that broo-ha-ha was going down just as I joined. Yellow aliens everywhere! Wonder what he's doing these days?
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:iconpsycho-llama:
I don't know, but I wish he'd start a new art website that wasn't focused purely on making a profit.
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